The Year in Duh-Bunking: February

Pat Curley of the Screw Loose Change blog writes:

The Year in Troof: February Follies

Gage's Gaggle held their 1000th signer press conference and celebration. Steven Jones chose this opportunity to speculate that perhaps the New World Order had caused the Haiti earthquake.

Sibel Edmonds became a 9-11 Truther.

Debra Medina, a Republican candidate for Texas Governor who was registering real support in the polls, crashed and burned when she claimed that there were lots of legitimate questions about controlled demolition at the WTC on the Glenn Beck show.

Don Meserlian, the swimming pool engineer, got slapped down in local court for threatening to beat up the local cops because they weren't interested in his rants about misprision of treason.

His first point led to a debate between he and Scootle where Pat demonstrated his complete misunderstanding of the nano-thermite paper.

As to his second point, FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds didn't become a truther then, but Pat did just learn about it from me. Pat used anonymous FBI officials instead of the preponderance of evidence concerning her credibility and a mistranslation of her words to make it seem as if she had inadvertently exposed herself as a liar.

When it comes to Debra Medina, Pat is only giving half the story. Yes, a local Texas ABC affiliate did report that Tuesday February 23rd poll numbers showed Debra Medina jumping from nine percent of Texas Republicans having an unfavorable opinion of her to 30 percent. However, after Medina's initial statements Texans still seemed to be backing her and Glenn Beck lost 500,000 viewers. However, after she flip-flopped on the 9/11 issue on February 18th she lost many of her largest supporters. As one commenter stated upon hearing audio where Medina agrees that "the belief that America would do this to its own people" is "despicable":

I wanted to vomit when I heard her say this.

Apparently, to want the truth has become "despicable". All the 911 victims family members that want the truth and have questions, are now "despicable".

The legendary Texas film maker/radio show host/activist Alex Jones, has just pulled his support for Medina based on her "despicable" interview with the neo filth operative. This was a death blow for her. His Infowars.com "infowarriors" were the core of her base support. Now, we're gone.

And people close to Medina's campaign were concerned about it, writing in emails that:

No where does Debra say "truthers are despicable people"... We are THIS close to beating the establishment. We have to keep up the pressure, dig in, work hard and we can win this election... Are we going to let this stop us? I have placed my faith in the ability of Debra Medina to lead us in this fight, and I will stand by her and fight for our rights with her. I will not cave because the opposition is trying to divide and conquer.

Regardless of which of Medina's 9/11 comments had more of an effect on her campaign, the fact remains that 9/11 truth remained "a mainstream political reality" in 2010.

As to Meserlian, I don't agree with the seismic and basement bombs evidence he presents. And I don't condone his actions towards the police. But as was pointed out in the link Pat provided, "Meserlian admitted he can be annoying, but that’s only because he’s trying to get the truth out." Pat has pointed out, "Meserlian was forced to surrender his engineering license by the State of New Jersey because he wasn't using a licensed surveyor in his work." However, Meserlian did write up a defense of his New Jersey professional engineer's license, which he held "for more than 30 years." To achieve a P.E. licence Imagineering E-zine notes that one must pass several exams:

The first exam, Fundamentals of Engineering, covers mathematics, chemistry, physics, and engineering sciences. The second exam, Principles and Practice of Engineering, requires the applicant to solve engineering problems in his discipline plus problems in four other disciplines. The difficulty of these tests have been equated to passing ten final exams on the same day. The data covered on the tests requires the applicant to draw upon knowledge that has been accumulated over an entire college and professional career.

So when Pat calls Meserlian simply a "swimming pool engineer" he is misrepresenting his credentials, just as he does when he calls Kevin Ryan, who has a B.S. in chemistry from Indiana University, a waterboy because he worked as a chemistry lab manager at a premier water-testing laboratory.

So what we have here is, misunderstanding, mistranslation, and misrepresentation, otherwise known as duh-bunking!

Related Info:

9/11 Truth Movement: Year in Review (2009-2010)

The Year in Duh-Bunking: January

The Year in Duh-Bunking: March

Scum of the Earth 9/11 Twoofers Vs the Sweetest Smelling Government That Ever Existed

By: John-Michael P. Talboo and AdamS

Welcome to Need To Know, with your host, me, Moe King-Bird.

It's over eight years since the 9/11 attacks, but still there are a lot of people who say they have unanswered questions about what really happened that day. They tread a fine line - what is just harmless curiosity, and what is mocking the terrorist murder of 3000 Americans? To discuss this we are joined by Judas Goat of Citizens Against Questioning 9/11, caq911.blogspot.com, a grassroots organisation known for its simple message: Support our Government.

So, the study that the '9/11 truthers' say proves there was a conspiracy by our own government to carry out the 9/11 attacks, which was published in a scientific journal, claims to have found thermite amongst the wreckage of the World Trade Center. Is this credible to you?

Judas Goat:

Nothing done by these Jihadist supporters is credible. They actually purport to have found a make believe explosive variant of the incendiary that they call super-duper-uber-magico-nano-thermite. They say that if we are going to debunk their peer-reviewed paper (and this part cracks me up) that we have to do it with a peer-reviewed paper of our own! They claim that science has proceeded through peer-reviewed papers since the time of Sir Isaac Newton. But if this were true then why was the official government investigation conducted by the esteemed National Institute for Standards and Technology not peer-reviewed?! Troothers.

Moe King-Bird:

Now something I find when I am listening to what 9/11 truthers have to say, is they are not very consistent. They disagree and fight amongst themselves over whether there were planes, some even say the towers were brought down using, and I am not joking here, 'space lasers'. Is this something that is simply to be expected when dealing with conspiracy theorists?

Judas Goat:

Indeed, they have not formulated a coherent theory in the least. Whereas, the official account of the 9/11 attack has remained consistent. Now some of these people argue that things like "space lazers" and and "cartoon planes" are Trojan Horses, but horses aren't the problem here; birds of a feather that flock together are. In other words, they are all nuts. Twoofers.

Moe King-Bird:

I would also like your thoughts on the reasons 9/11 'skepticism' is quite widespread. Because with most theories like this, i.e., Elvis still being alive, their appeal is only to a fringe minority. But many people may have questions about 9/11, in fact a sound majority of people in numerous polls have said they feel the government has not told the full truth about the attacks. Countless '9/11 truth' books, films, and other items have been marketed, aimed at these people. Is there a danger here of some people simply spreading hype for selfish reasons?

Judas Goat:

Let's see here... (thumbing through the debunker's handbook) Ah! Here we are... People like conspiracy theories because they make sense out of an otherwise messy and coincidence filled world.

I must contest that the 9/11 conspiracy theory is a more popular theory than Elvis being alive. When Rep. Mike Thompson (Dem CA-1) was asked whether he thought 9/11 might be an inside job he informed the nutbar asking the question that “70% of the country thinks that Elvis is still alive.” I'm sure he did exhaustive research on this percentage.

And yes, these people are obviously doing this for selfish reasons. Conspiracy theory is an industry. The conspiracists argue that the distribution of their material on the internet for free largely exceeds their sales as a means to getting people brainwashed into believing their ideas. Clever marketing indeed. Bottom line is, if any money is made from this stuff it automatically disproves their theories. Troofers.

Moe King-Bird:

What was the cause of the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings? Because, and maybe it's just me, I saw huge planes hit those buildings. Are my eyes deceiving me? And, have the government reports provided enough proof to put the controversy to rest?

Judas Goat:

Your eyes did not deceive you and yes they have. Some of the nutters point out that WTC Building 7 also collapsed that day, but wasn't hit by a plane. However the government also explained this in August of 2008; their report states:

The collapse of WTC7 can be explained thanks to a recently discovered physical property of the universe that causes fire to intelligently seek out and destroy the one vital column that stops a building from imploding in on itself at the rate of gravity.

They like to say "Ask Questions, Demand Answers," but then they never accept the answers. Toofers.

Moe King-Bird:

Thank you for joining us, that's what we need to know.