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Alex Jones at the University of Texas Union Ballroom

9/11 Truth: The Hijackers

"The confusion over names and identities we reported back in 2001 may have arisen because these were common Arabic and Islamic names." - Friday, 27 October 2006 BBC News

CNN REPORTS THAT 9/11 HIJACKERS ATTENDED US MILITARY SCHOOLS

Loose Change Final Cut Part 1

Air Force officer disciplined for saying Bush allowed September 11 attacks

Hijacker attended US military school

The media dropped the story after the Air Force officials issued a cursory statement aimed at preventing any further inquiry into links between the US military and the terrorists. While acknowledging that some of the suspected terrorists “had similar names to foreign alumni of U.S. military courses,” the statement said discrepancies in biographical information, such as birth dates and name spellings, “indicate we are probably not talking about the same people.” Without providing any substantiation, the statement suggested the hijackers may have stolen the identities of foreign military personnel who received training at the bases. - Source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ISA206A.html

What (9/11 researcher) Ahmed does not do is investigate whether it's legally permissible for the Government to release more information about the military students. Nor has he bothered to check the dates in the original Newsweek article and others against the birth dates of the hijackers, as we did above, something which strongly supports the idea that at least two of them are different people. - Source:
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Hijackers_trained_by_US_military%3F

AmBushed by Conspirituality

Misinformation: Resurrected Hijackers - Suicide Hijackers Identified by the FBI Proclaim Their Innocence

Analysis

The apparent discrepancies in the FBI's identification of suspects raises many questions but provides few answers. The failure of official agencies to address this issue may appear suspicious, but it may reflect an opinion that the "hijackers alive" story doesn't pose a threat to the official account.

There are many possible explanations for the inclusion of identities of still-living individuals in the FBI's list of suspects, from coincidence to identity theft. The use of assumed identities is consistent with the official account, but is perhaps more consistent with the view that the Arab men on the flight were patsies, particularly when seen in conjunction with the men's poor piloting skills, Koran-proscribed behavior, and apparent efforts to leave a paper trail. - Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/identities.html

From Nicholas Levis, summeroftruth.org:

"Staging 9/11 as an inside job is going to work best (in fact, is likely to work only) if there actually exists an active network of anti-American terrorists who are deeply committed to killing Americans in response to U.S. policy. In other words, those who would blame Qaeda need a (relatively) real Qaeda. A partly-real enemy is much better than an entirely fabricated one.

The most robust way for insider masterminds to stage 9/11 and get away with it is to arrange for their agents to infiltrate among 'real foreign terrorists.' Let them come up with their own plots (or plant plots among them), choose a plot that will produce the results desired by the masterminds, and see that through to fruition. At some point, the masterminds and their agents will hijack the plot from the would-be hijackers, to make sure it happens. You won't risk the whole game on the ability of amateurs to get away with it, you will help them along or even replace them (with a remote control hijacking, for example). But it's best to have "real terrorists" in play. They leave a more solid trail of evidence internationally. Cops and agents and academics of two dozen countries can honestly confirm the existence of an al-Qaeda network. That way there is less need to initiate outside observers into the plot and you don't have to hope they are all stupid, as they would have to be to fall for a complete fabrication of 'Qaeda.' (Qaeda at this point is just a term of convenience for the Islamist extremist networks.)

The best result would be for a whole bunch of Islamist extremists running around believing that their crew pulled off 9/11 all by themselves (how inspiring for them!). The patsies should believe they actually did it. This was the case with the Reichstag Fire and Marinus van der Lubbe: the patsy believed he had done it."

9/11 Case Closed: KSM Confesses... Again

KSM: The Ultimate Patsy "Confesses"

Tortured Patsies “Confess” To 9/11

9/11 Family Member Patty Casazza: Government Knew Exact Date and Exact Targets

Rockefeller Predicted "Event" To Trigger War Eleven Months Before 9/11 - Hollywood director Russo recalls remarkable "forecast" of coming attack

Rockefeller Reveals 9/11 FRAUD to Aaron Russo

Afghanistan, the Taliban and the Bush Oil Team

The PNAC Plan:
"Also as a result of the end of the Cold War the Pentagon's funding was being cut because they no longer had an enemy to justify their massive budget. In response Dick Cheney's conservative think tank 'The Project for a New American Century,' (PNAC) submitted their manifesto, 'Rebuilding America's Defenses'. This report suggests that although 'the United States faces no global rival,' (p.i) the U.S. military should prepare 'to rapidly deploy and win multiple simultaneous large-scale wars,'(mission outlines) and set up 'an enduring American military presence' (p.74) in the Persian Gulf, including Afghanistan and Iraq. Chapter 5 admits this would take a long time,'absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor.'" - Source: http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-911-debunkers-with-stewart.html

"The notion that oil motivates America's military engagements in the Middle East is often disregarded as nonsense or mere conspiracy theory. In Blood and Oil, bestselling author and Nation magazine defense correspondent Michael T. Klare challenges this conventional wisdom and corrects the historical record. The film unearths declassified documents and highlights forgotten passages in prominent presidential doctrines to show how concerns about oil have been at the core of American foreign policy for more than 60 years -- rendering our contemporary energy and military policies virtually indistinguishable."

Venezuela coup linked to Bush team

Infowarrior with Jason Bermas - 2/3 05/27

Infowarrior with Jason Bermas -3/3 05/27

9/11 War Games during 9/11 by the US military & CIA - paralysis of air defenses to ensure the attack succeeded? - who coordinated these efforts?

"On the very morning of 9/11/01, five war games and terror drills were being conducted by several U.S. defense agencies, including one "live fly" exercise using REAL planes." - Source: http://911proof.com/9.html

"This resulted in flight controllers, commanders and pilots being unable to distinguish real world events from exercise scenarios." - Source: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/usaf_911.html

CIA Man John Fulton's Airplane-Crashing "Exercise" on 9/11

NORAD Tapes Expose Lax Military Attitude On 9/11 Air Defense

NORAD stand-down

The Subversive Lecture of Tin Foil Hat Lady - #5 of 5

Interview With Political Activist/Commentator the Tin Foil Hat Lady

"Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse." - Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html

9/11 In Perspective

Richard Gage on KMPH Fox 26 in Fresno, CA

Kevin R. Ryan: Demolition access to the WTC Towers

Nanothermite Demolishes 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

"Many of the people in the 9/11 truth movement believe theories such as this are fueled by disinformation." More Info...

"There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action." - Source: The Downing Street Memo

"The Downing Street "Memo" is actually the minutes of a meeting, transcribed during a gathering of many of the British Prime Minister's senior ministers on July 23, 2002. Published by The Sunday Times on May 1, 2005 this document was the first hard evidence from within the UK or US governments that exposed the truth about how the Iraq war began." - Source: http://downingstreetmemo.com

A 9/11 Debunking Video Worth Considering

It goes without saying that being a "debunker" video it contains insults, but please just focus on the information presented. The funny thing is, if Flight 93 wasn't shot down, that means that no interceptions occurred for 1 hour and 53 minutes on 9/11. Not very good for arguing against a NORAD stand-down.

A plane did indeed crash in Shanksville

KJC24
YouTube.com
August 05, 2009



The debate that ensued...

KJC24:

All airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11 crashed within 43 minutes of being hijacked. So your 1 hour 53 minute number is completely irrelevant. I have no idea how you expect planes to be intercepted in 30 minutes of first signs of non-response, especially in a pre-9/11 world were domestic intercepts of aircraft are incredibly rare. Not to mention the confusion about which of the thousands of aircraft in the sky were hijacked and which ones weren't.

John-Michael P. Talboo:

KJC24 says: "I have no idea how you expect planes to be intercepted in 30 minutes."

"I knew within hours of the attacks on 9/11/2001 that it was an inside job. Based on my 11-year experience as an FAA Air Traffic Controller in the busy Northeast corridor, including hundreds of hours of training, briefings, air refuelings, low altitude bombing drills, being part of huge military exercises, daily military training exercises, interacting on a routine basis directly with NORAD radar personnel, and based on my own direct experience dealing with in-flight emergency situations, including two instances of hijacked commercial airliners, I state unequivocally; There is absolutely no way that four large commercial airliners could have flown around off course for 30 to 60 minutes on 9/11 without being intercepted and shot completely out of the sky by our jet fighters unless very highly placed people in our government and our military wanted it to happen." - Robin Hordon, Former FAA Air Traffic Controller at the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center, located in Nashua, NH, 1970 - 1981. FAA certified commercial pilot. FAA certified Flight Instructor and certified Ground Instructor.

KJC24 says: "Your 1 hour 53 minute number is completely irrelevant."

I didn't say the following to KJC24 at the time, but I should have!: No, it's not. This time span should have cut down individual intercept times because the military would be in the highest possible state of alertness. During this time specific actions could have been taken like redeploying the aircraft already in the air that had arrived too late in Manhattan towards the deviating planes headed for the capital.

Flight 77: The impact was 83 minutes after Flight 11 first went off course, and 58 minutes after the North Tower impact, and 40 minutes after the South Tower impact, yet the jet was not intercepted as it flew over the (normally) most heavily protected airspace in the United States, and in the world. - Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight77.html

KJC24:

He knew within minutes it was an inside job, but waited 5 years to tell us about it? Just when the truth movement was at its height of popularity? Colin Scoggins was the military liaison at Boston ARTCC on the morning of 9/11 and doesn't think it was an inside job. Boston ATC's on duty that morning were interviewed on TV and none thought there was a conspiracy. Once again dishonest truthers single out the words of a nut and hold them above those who know better. Remember, all planes crashed within 43 minutes of being hijacked, it wasn't always known which planes were hijacked and which weren't, some of them had their transponders turned off, and prior to 9/11, I doubt hijack suicide missions were part of any NORAD operating procedure. Payne Stewart's jet wasn't intercepted until 80 minutes (despite having its transponder on) after it stopped responding to ATC requests, so what makes you think that even a perfect response to the hijackings would have been enough time?

John-Michael P. Talboo:

Despite what Colin Scoggins says he believes, you are aware that he was interviewed at length for David Ray Griffin's book Debunking 9/11 Debunking, right? Both he and Robin Hordon were interviewed, and through their combined testimonies and research it is shown that the FAA's supposed slow response to the hijacked flights is not only inherently unbelievable, but also "in tension with several other reports."

When looking at the information about Flight 77 that I quoted to you it is clear that the Payne Stewart incident pales in comparison. Hordan stated that in his career he dealt with "two instances of hijacked commercial airliners" and that "there is absolutely no way that four large commercial airliners could have flown around off course for 30 to 60 minutes on 9/11 without being intercepted and shot completely out of the sky." Of course since he disagrees with your view he is a nut. Why he waited 5 years isn't relevant at all, there are plenty of good reasons one might not want to go public with such opinions.

As to transponders being turned off:

Helpful background information on the significance of transponder signals is provided in journalist and 9/11 critic Michael Rupert's Crossing the Rubicon. Ruppert explains that all commercial airliners are equipped with transponders--devices that identify the altitude and position of planes by means of radio signals to air traffic controllers (ATCs). When transponders go off, the plane can still be tracked in two dimensions, but the ATC can no longer pinpoint its altitude. At that point, the system is in emergency status and the offending plane appears on the consoles of all the local ATCs. Ruppert goes on to quote from the statement of a pilot, one Michael Guillaume, who explains that such a plane...

"...is now a hazard to air navigation, and the controller's primary function of separating planes is now in jeopardy... If in addition to losing communication and transponder the flight starts to deviate from its last clearance, the whole system is in emergency condition. Alarms all over the country would be going off...

So we know that the traffic control system would be in panic mode within two or three minutes of the initial events. ... The odds are that many flights would be on patrol just offshore. It would be most improbable that even one commercial flight could go [astray] more than ten minutes without being intercepted... Interceptions are routine daily occurrences. The fact that they didn't happen under extreme provocation raises some serious questions..." - Source: http://www.bushstole04.com/911/david_ray_griffin911.htm

But yes, there was a lot of confusion that day, much of it created by the war games.

KJC24:

I'm not able to respond to your posts in detail due to lack of time. Most of the research I've done on 9/11 has been debunking the so-called demolition nonsense that troofers have put forward. I've never really studied the NORAD response. But I expect my next video will be about the NORAD intercepts, so you can wait for my full response then. As for what you said about transponders, it doesn't appear to be quite so simple since the ATC and NORAD were chasing AA11 long after it had already crashed into the WTC. I believe the transcripts are available for all to see regarding ATC and NORAD, and I don't believe for a moment the hundreds of people involved in those organisations and communications were "in on it". When it comes to a conspiracy involving 3,000 innocent lives in the US, you can't depend on keeping those people quiet, so no conspiracy would ever involve that many people. Politicians have been busted for much less with only a handful of witnesses.

John-Michael P. Talboo:

I await your video and will post a response. Here is some more info I beg that you consider:

KJC24 says: "troofers"

9/11 "Truthers" or "Twoofers"? You Decide...

KJC24 says: "demolition nonsense"

Scientists Find Explosives in World Trade Center Dust

KJC24 says: "As for what you said about transponders, it doesn't appear to be quite so simple since the ATC and NORAD were chasing AA11 long after it had already crashed into the WTC."

The traffic controllers at the Boston Center were reportedly very clear about the fate of AA 11. According to a story in the Christian Science Monitor two days after 9/11, flight controllers said that they never lost sight of the flight. Flight controller Mark Hodgkins later told ABC News: I watched the target of American 11 the whole way down. New York Times and Newhouse News stories reported that as soon as the Boston flight controllers heard that a plane had hit the WTC, they knew that it was AA 11, because they had been tracking it continuously since it had begun behaving erratically. Scoggins, as the manager of the Boston Center, presumably knew all of this. - Source: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2006091418303369

KJC24 says: "I believe the transcripts are availible for all to see regarding ATC and NORAD."

Yes the transcripts, and in fact the full audio, is available thanks to the creators of Loose Change. 911myths.com notes, "We agree with very little that the Loose Change creators have to say, but they do at least deserve praise for both securing the release of the full NORAD 9/11 tapes, and making them public immediately."

That being said, you really should have a look at what what one of the Loose Change creators has to say about the tapes he helped secure the release of.

Infowarrior with Jason Bermas - 2/3 05/27

Infowarrior with Jason Bermas -3/3 05/27

KJC24 says: "I don't believe for a moment the hundreds of people involved in those organisations and communications were "in on it". When it comes to a conspiracy involving 3,000 innocent lives in the US, you can't depend on keeping those people quiet, so no conspiracy would ever involve that many people."

Frequently Asked Questions: Conspiracy

Cognitive Dissonance Meets 9/11 Truth

I have been looking into all aspects of this subject in depth since late 2004 and I completely understand where you are coming from since I used to think it was nonsense myself.

KJC24:

That really is too much bullshit for me to deal with right now.

John-Michael Talboo - Update May 5th 2011:

KJC24 never made a video on NORAD.

Related Info:

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