Out of the thousands of people who believe that we were fed a load of bull from the government in the official conspiracy theory of 9/11...There are three or four out of those thousands that have bi-polar disorders or anger issues from being screwed by the government. (What are the odds)
For "them" to insinuate that we "Truthers" in whole, as a movement, are a danger to anyone, makes as much sense as me saying that since both of those who recently went over the edge in a violent manner were software techs, then all software techs are unstable and prone to violence.
It is clear that there are many sane software techs and a couple of over the edge software techs do not represent the majority of software techs. So if we follow this thought procession logically,... then a couple of people reacting in a over the edge manner (who believe that we have been lied to by our government in regards to 9/11 Truth,) do not represent the majority of Truthers.
...The idea of demonizing an entire movement just because one apple goes rotten is completely illogical. Charles Manson was a Beatles fan, does that mean all Beatles fans are mass murderers? And Michael Jackson was a suspected paedophile, does that mean he was a bad musician? Does that mean all popstars are paedophiles? You see what I'm saying here? 9/11 truth is generally a peaceful movement and they know it. But of course, that's not going to stop the pathetic debunkers and media whores from having a field day over this.
After Pat called the Pentagon shooter a "nutbar", Scootle came up with this artist rendering of the assailant on March 6th, with a reminder of what I told Pat he should do with such a sweet nutty treat:
To our disappointment seven other towns voted down the resolutions, though the overall percentage of votes in favor (in towns where exact results were recorded) was 23%. In referendums on social issues that depend more on values than awareness of the facts, 77% to 23% might be a landslide. However, because of the painful implications of 9/11 not being what we were told, and the media blackout on critical examination of the official 9/11 account, about 1 in 4 voters calling for a new 9/11 investigation is an accomplishment we can be proud of – it shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that questioning 9/11 is anything but fringe.
I think these are all great points, but Pat probably disagrees because the bottom line is that the numbers prove most people don't agree with us and therefore we are wrong. But as FOX News has pointed out, "A majority of the public believes the assassination of President John F. Kennedy was part of a larger conspiracy." Does Pat agree? Will Pat change his mind if and when the numbers shift to our favor? Not a chance, because he's a goalpost moving duh-bunker.
Here is an important year in review item from March that Pat missed.
So, Pat Curley of the Screw Loose Change blog seems to have taken Scootle's advice and did some further reading on Charles Lewis, who says that he overheard radio chatter at Los Angeles International Airport on 9/11 saying that "NORAD had not responded, because it had been 'ordered to stand down'"
In a previous post Pat stated, "But what time was the Pentagon hit? Around 9:38 in the morning, right? What time is that in LA? So now we're supposed to believe that an LA building inspector was at work at LAX before 6:30 in the morning?"
To which Scootle replied, "Now I know Pat read my post on the program, he mentions it in his article, but he obviously did not read the 911truth.org article I linked to. According to his testimony, he was at work around 6:30AM."
Now Pat has this to say:
He went out there to be available to fix certain parts of a guard shack? And I'm sorry, I don't find his claims of being at the Hilton at 6:30 AM very credible. At the end he provides several ways in which his story could be corroborated, but you can guess the next part. David Ray Griffin (who made the post at 911 truth dot org) made no attempt to confirm the guy's story.
How about giving Scootle a tip of the hat? Don't want to admit that you didn't look into the issue at all before making a comment?
To say that Lewis was there to "fix certain parts of a guard shack" is a misrepresentation of what he says in the aritcle. As he points out, "'LAX Security' involves the Los Angeles World Airport Police Department, the Los Angeles Police Department, and sometimes the FBI and/or the California Highway Patrol." Lewis states that he was "one of only a few persons who would know how to fix certain parts of the new security systems if problems developed," and that he "managed the design changes and construction" for the systems at Guard Post II. Thanks for reading though, Pat.
"And I'm sorry, I don't find his claims of being at the Hilton at 6:30 AM very credible." -Pat
Wow. You know, I hope for Pat's sake that if a crime is ever committed against him, the police don't use his method of investigation.
Pat states that David Ray Griffin should have followed up on the recommendations Lewis made to corroborate his story. How is he supposed to obtain video from LAX security cameras and audio of the phone conversations, radio transmissions, and radio broadcast at LAX? I think a new 9/11 investigation would be better suited to do that.
He could possibly get in contact with the individuals mentioned and I will try to do just that. Nevermind the fact that if Lewis were lying it doesn't make sense for him to suggest ways his story could not just be proved, but disproved as well.
As AE911Truth has stated before, "Its easy! Just look them up in the phone book or on the Internet and send them an email (like the one below)." Just type "architectural firms" or "engineering firms" followed by any state or country and you will find plenty of results. Make sure to check their site for the latest number as it is perpetually growing much to the chagrin of the so-called debunkers.
Subject:
1,450 architectural and engineering professionals calling for a new 9/11 investigation
Letter:
Hello,
As professional Architects and Engineers you can assist in putting an end to the War on Terror by signing a petition that calls for a new investigation into the attacks of September 11. Already the War has killed many thousands of innocent civilians and US military personel. With no end in sight it is imperitive that people with expertise stand up and question the physics defying official explanation into the collapse of the 3 World Trade Centre Buildings on 9/11. Please visit http//ae911truth.org, but first take a look at some of the individuals you will find amongst their ranks.
Dwain Deets appointed as NASA Dryden Aerospace Projects Director
February 28, 1996 Release: 96-10
...In 1986 Deets received the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics Award. Among his other awards are the NASA Exceptional Service Award, presented in 1988. He was included in "Who's Who in America" for 1990-91 and "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" from 1993 to the present.
He was the 1988-90 chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. He has also been a member of the AIAA technical committee on Society and Aerospace Technology from 1990 to 1995. He is a 1961 graduate of Occidental College, Los Angeles. He earned a master of science degree in physics from San Diego State College in 1962 and then a master of science degree in engineering, as part of the Engineering Executive Program, at UCLA in 1978.
Worked for 30 years as a structural engineer in New Jersey, Colorado, and Nevada. Designed as project engineer a variety of structures including Bridges, High-rise office commercial buildings, parking structures, Project Manager Mirage hotel (Las Vegas) , Part of team on Bank One Ballpark Pheonix, Arizona, and many other structural related projects
Received his M.S. in Structural Engineering (1986) from the University of California at Davis, following a B.S. in Civil Engineering from the same school in 1984. He has over 23 years experience in structural analysis, design, evaluation and rehabilitation of buildings in northern California.
And although they are not signatories at AE911Truth "two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition."
Project Architect-Director for many high and low rise steel structures including the 34 story 1.7 Million SF Headquarters Building for Pacific Gas and Electric Company, San Francisco, 44 story Citicorp Building San Francisco, 44 story 575 Market street Building, San Francisco (A Standard Oil Company Headquarters Building), St. Mary's Hospital and Medical Center, San Francisco, and the 1 Million SF Tom Bradley International Terminal at LAX.
YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DEMAND A NEW 9/11 INVESTIGATION
Reinvestigate 911 is asking 9/11 truth activists worldwide to write to the Iraq Inquiry in London in support of our submission. Please forward this email to any politicians or journalists who may be interested.
Our letter is copied in full below. Since Tony Blair confirmed in his testimony that 9/11 "changed the calculus of risk" when it came to invading Iraq, the Iraq Inquiry must now consider whether we have been told the whole truth about the 9/11 attacks.
Please go to this page and fill in the response box. http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/contact/submission-form.aspx Please say you are supporting the letter from Reinvestigate911 (below) and then add your own comments, polite and factual of course, mentioning any experience or expert knowledge you may have to support your views.
Better still write a letter to Sir John Chilcot, Iraq Inquiry, 35 Great Smith Street, London SW1P 3BG.
If you are a UK qualified lawyer please get in touch if you can offer any time pro bono to pursue either our letter to Chilcot (eg is there a judicial review option if Chilcot refuses our requests?), or matters related to the forthcoming 7/7 inquest.
KEY POINTS
If you write from outside the UK, please explain that there has never been a full independent inquiry into the 9/11 events in the US. The 9/11 Conmmission, run by White House insider Phillip Zelikow, has been criticised by its own members and the trial of alleged 9/11 ringleader Khaled Sheikh Mohammed seems to be postponed indefinitely.
The Inquiry's remit starts in summer 2001 when, according to the 9/11 Commission, many warnings of the impending 9/11 attacks were being disregarded in Washington.
Iraq Inquiry has written to campaigners as follows: "The attribution of responsibility for the 9/11 bombings is outwith the terms of reference for this Inquiry, EXCEPT INSOFAR AS IT IMPACTS ON THE UK'S INVOLVEMENT IN IRAQ. We are nevertheless very grateful for the information and sources of further information provided in your letter and hope you will continue to follow the Inquiry's progress on our website." (our emphasis)
Commentators agree that 9/11 made the invasion of Iraq politically possible and Tony Blair specifically told the Inquiry that the 9/11 attacks changed the "calculus of risk" in respect to Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction. Hence they must look at 9/11 as a major element in the decision to invade Iraq, the matter which is at the heart of their terms of reference.
OUR LETTER TO THE INQUIRY
From: Ian Henshall and others Hove BN3 7NQ
To Sir John Chilcot, The Iraq Inquiry, 35 Great Smith Street, London SW1P 3BG Your ref Alastair Seaton, IE0054
27 September 2010
Dear Sir John Chilcot,
Thank you for your recent letter in which you state:
"Thank you for your further letter of 27 July, in which you urge the Committee to challenge the conclusion that the 911 bombings were perpetrated by Al Qaeda. The attribution of responsibility for the 9/11 bombings is outwith the terms of reference for this Inquiry, except insofar as it impacts on the UK's involvement in Iraq. We are nevertheless very grateful for the information and sources of further information provided in your letter and hope you will continue to follow the Inquiry's progress on our website."
We welcome your agreement that the attribution of responsibility for 9/11 is relevant insofar as it impacts the UK's involvement in Iraq. Blair made clear that 9/11 was indeed a major factor in the invasion of Iraq while the official paper trail shows that the attribution of responsibility, which includes the failure to prevent the 9/11 attacks, is murkier than first appeared.
It is noteworthy that your terms of reference start in summer 2001 when, we now know, warnings of the 9/11 attacks were flooding into Washington.
1. BLAIR'S EVIDENCE AND THE QUESTIONS IT RAISES
In case there can be any doubt as to the central role of the 9/11 attacks in the decision to invade Iraq, please recall that Blair made his "shoulder to shoulder" speech in the weeks after 9/11 and as we now know decided effectively to subordinate UK foreign policy to the Bush White House at that time. As he explained to you very clearly and repeatedly in his testimony, 9/11 was a major factor in the decision to invade Iraq because it changed the "calculus of risk". This confirms what commentators across the political spectrum have been saying: that the invasion of Iraq was made politically possible by 9/11.
Assuming Al Qaeda carried out the attacks independently of any other organisation, an extremely important question remains: how were the attacks able to succeed and hence to change the "calculus of risk"?
2. DANGER OF PUBLIC DISSATISFACTION IF WASHINGTON'S EXPLANATION NOT EXAMINED
We accept it is not up to your Inquiry to determine what happened on 9/11, but we contend the public will not be satisfied unless you examine whether the explanation of the causes, offered to London by Washington, of this massive US defence failure was reliable. Given the anger that now exists in many quarters over the weapons of mass destruction allegations and the "dodgy dossiers" in the run-up to the Iraq invasion, we submit that the public will expect you to look into this with great concern and investigate whether the official 9/11 story is wrong, self-exculpatory, misleading, or simply not adequately substantiated. If Washington's explanation is unreliable we contend your report should state that further investigation is needed.
3. MISLEADING MEDIA REPORTS AND OFFICIAL STATEMENTS
A review of the media reports at the time confirms that the initial 9/11 account was indeed seriously wrong and that this is the version on which Tony Blair seems to have based his decision making. Politicians and commentators said that Al Qaeda succeeded in this unprecedented, audacious and well-planned attack because they had immense resources and, in the words of Condoleeza Rice, that in the US government "nobody could imagine" that such an attack might occur. Blair made similar comments.
However we now know that the main features of the 9/11 attacks had all been built into various Pentagon war games in the months before 9/11, that Rice had ignored multiple warnings from top officials and foreign governments, and that the failure of the CIA to co-operate with FBI investigations into the presumed 9/11 hijackers was a major factor in the success of the attacks. The 9/11 Commission chair said at one point that the attacks "could and should" have been prevented. There is much further evidence to support this view. It may be noteworthy too that the CIA's Inspector General later gave George Tenet, CIA director at the time, a severe reprimand over 9/11 on grounds that remain secret.
4. INADEQUACY OF INFORMATION SUPPLIED TO LONDON
If you agree with the consensus view now, that failings of the US authorities, glossed over at the time, were a significant factor in the success of the 9/11 attacks, and if London was trusting information supplied by Washington rather than carrying out their own checks, this has a major bearing on the UK decision to invade Iraq.
It would mean that the alternative policy to war was not properly evaluated. This would have been to avoid launching the invasions, deal with terrorism in the ways that had always been followed up to then, and deal with the causes of the intelligence failings at home.
5. WAS 9/11 ADEQUATELY INVESTIGATED PRIOR TO WAR?
We are not asking you to mount an entirely new investigation into the 9/11 attacks, but we hope you will agree that judgement by media acclamation and White House press release is not a sufficient basis to launch two wars. Therefore we submit that you should note in your final report that the 9/11 attacks have never been fully investigated by a well resourced and independent body prepared to consider a range of ideas on what the full story might be. Many people in the US, including many of the bereaved and members of the 9/11 Commission itself, emphasise the lack of a thorough investigation. The 9/11 Commission was starved of funds, given a very tight timescale and was refused access to key evidence. See note below for some more failings of the 9/11 Commission. The promised trial of alleged ringleader Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the only person ever indicted for a central role in the 9/11 attacks, seems to have been postponed indefinitely.
6. NEED FOR A NEW INVESTIGATION
A new 9/11 investigation, and particularly a sharing of the mountain of still secret evidence with the public, is all the more important in the light of the many details which still have not been satisfactorily explained. For instance there is so far no official explanation for the recent discovery by associate Professor Niels Harrit of uncombusted high energy artificial nanothermite particles in the dust at Ground Zero, which indicate the possibility that the collapse of the buildings was some sort of a controlled demolition which could explain the rapid and symmetrical downward collapse of the three (sic) multistorey WTC buildings. Official sources insist the collapses all happened spontaneously in a way unforeseen by any expert before the event, but independent experts have not been given access to the evidence or the computer models which government scientists rely on. Hundreds of architects, engineers and demolition experts have spoken out publicly calling for a new investigation.
Another reason for a further investigation is that the 9/11 Commission discovered the CIA had a top secret 80 strong Osama Bin Laden unit working on projects in the months before 9/11. This contrasts with the explanation proffered by many politicians and commentators that Washington had lost interest in Afghanistan. The CIA reportedly refused to talk to the 9/11 Commission about vast areas of what the OBL unit was up to.
Similarly no details have been given of the Pentagon's anti-hijack exercise running, apparently by sheer coincidence, at the exact time of the 9/11 attacks and which we now know interfered with the response from air traffic control and the Pentagon. Even the flight manifests for the hijacked planes are still secret.
7. QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED
As well as the more general recommendations mentioned above concerning the preventabilty of the 9/11 attacks and the failure to investigate the whole affair in any depth, we submit that you should ask some specific questions to Tony Blair. Before he gave his almost unconditional support to the Bush White House, did he task MI6 or any other UK agency to make an independent assessment of the 9/11 attacks, of who was behind them, and of how they came to be carried out so successfully? Did anyone mention to him that the Oklahoma bomb was at first wrongly blamed by Washington on Islamic extremists? Did he and his advisors discuss the possibility the attacks were successful as a result of failings in the US? Did they inquire if 9/11 resulted, as now seems possible, from a CIA sting operation gone wrong?
8. WHAT WE CAN OFFER
Finally we submit that you should take adequate evidence from us and make appropriate recommendations in your report, not only because the decision to invade Iraq is at the heart of your inquiry but also out of respect for the rights of the bereaved and other victims of many nationalities in both the 9/11 attacks and the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Please take public testimony from Paul Warburton on the general legal issues, Niels Harrit on the nanothermite at the World Trade Centre, and Ian Henshall for an overview on how the official 9/11 story has changed and whether it is reliable. Other experts could probably be made available including retired FBI and CIA officers.
Ian Henshall (co-ordinator Reinvestigate 911, author 911 The New Evidence) Paul Warburton (barrister) Niels Harrit (associate professor of Chemistry University of Copenhagen, nanotechnology specialist) Noel Glynn (Convenor Quakers for Truth on Terrorism)
NOTE
The only official attempts to investigate 9/11 were the FBI probe that was ended prematurely and run by Bush appointee Michael Chertoff (later Homeland security chief in charge of the Hurricane Katrina disaster), and the 9/11 Commission. The latter was severely underfunded, short of time, and stuffed with Washington insiders. It never considered any scenario other than the official story. Its executive Director Phillip Zelikow was caught reporting regularly in secret to the White House, while Senator Max Cleland resigned angrily denouncing the process as a whitewash. Later the chief investigator John Farmer wrote that there was an agreement in the White House or the Pentagon to lie to investigators. The Commission failed to clarify the role of the CIA's top secret Osama Bin Laden unit and its refusal to pass on important information to the FBI prior to the attacks. It failed to investigate the collapse of the three World Trade Center buildings one of which was not struck by a plane and which we now know fell at free fall speed. For the chaos and manipulation of the 911 Commission by Zelikow and the Bush White House, see the book The Commission by Phil Shenon the New York Times specialist on the subject.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "9/11 THE NEW EVIDENCE" pub Sept 2007 Constable (UK) ISBN 978-1-84529-514-1 http://www.amazon.co.uk/11-New-Evidence-Ian-Henshall/dp/1845295145/
"9/11 Revealed: The New Evidence" pub Oct 2007 Carroll & Graf (US) ISBN-10: 0786720417 http://www.amazon.com/9-11-Revealed-New-Evidence/dp/0786720417/
Ian Henshall is also proprietor of Coffee Plant ( www.coffee.uk.com) and chair of INK, trade organisation for UK alternative print media (www.ink.uk.com) Ian Henshall's email is crisisnewsletter@pro-net.co.uk
(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
Letter from Debunking the Debunkers blog contributor Steve Weathers:
There are frightening consequences for failing to act upon the evidence showing that the attacks of September 11 involved an element of US Government complicity:
Dear Reader, this submission to the Inquiry is in support of the letter from Reinvestigate911. (This document should already be on file with your investigation.)
As you are probably well aware, there is a direct connection to the illegal invasion of Iraq and the attacks of 911.
Put simply: the threat of future 911 style terror attacks provided a "justification" for the preemptive War.
However, such a justification is totally undermined by damning material evidence that has come to light indicating the 911 attacks involved a huge degree of "inside help".
I will not go over the evidence here suffice to say that other submissions to your inquiry will have covered the forensic evidence that proves the official story is a lie. (Visit: http://www.ae911truth.org and for counter disinformation material http://911debunkers.blogspot.com)
My task here is to alert the Inquiry to the serious implications of ignoring this evidence.
It should be noted that:
1. Failure to recognise the staged nature of 911 helps to prolong the false paradigm, held in the minds of policy makers and the general public, that the War on Terror and the invasion of Iraq (and Afghanistan), can be somewhat justified as reaction to a heinous crime committed by Muslim extremists.
2. that; failure to recognise the hard evidence here places the population of many Western countries under threat of draconian anti-terror legislation, physical harm and continued psychological damage. Most troubling of all is the fact we are susceptible to further false flag incidents that may involve the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. My fear is that new terror attacks being planned by elements from within "our own side" will involve biological, chemical or nuclear devices.
3. that; failure to address the false flag nature of 911 leaves the door open for those war obsessed elements of US and European governments to attack countries like Iran that do not pose a threat and have not broken any International Laws.
Dear Reader, it does not matter how many real terrorists are caught or captured if elements of our own Governments and intelligence services have a hand in committing terrorist atrocities.
Please take action on the evidence that proves US complicity in 911 so we can see an end to the War in Iraq and an end to the wider War on Terror.
Pat Curley of the Screw Loose Change blog writes today:
133... That's how many people sent in letters/faxes to the NYC District Attorney requesting an investigation of WTC-7, per the request from NYC-CAN. One hundred and thirty-three. I mean, let's put that in perspective. NYC-CAN claimed to have gathered 30,000 or so signatures for their ballot initiative, right? Not really quite enough to qualify for the ballot, but close.
This is 1/226th of that. And it gets worse, much worse, because that's an unfair comparison; nothing in the NYC-CAN current push says you have to live in the Big Apple.
Following on the heels of last week's idiotic attempt to get the DA to look at some videos of WTC-7's collapse, this week the Troofers are highlighting the supposed "countdowns" and "foreknowledge" as lines of investigation, featuring, no kidding, Kevin McPadden and Indira Singh.
First off Pat, it was not 30,000 signatures they gathered, it was 80,000, so no, you are not right.
So, NYC CAN was much more successful than Pat states and by his own admission should have had their initiative on the ballot. They've had weekly campaigns focused on raising awareness of WTC 7 since back in March, so it would not be surprising if the numbers have lessened, but there is no doubt that the total letters sent number in the thousands.
Thank you and congratulations! Together we finished Week 2 with 217 letters sent to the District Attorney's office.
In Week 3 let's make it our minimum goal to reach 500 letters, and in Week 4, 1000 letters! How do we do it?
If you haven't sent a letter yet, now is the time to join. You've never had an easier opportunity to take action and be heard. If you have been participating - in addition to sending your letter for Week 3 - make it your personal to goal to get just one friend to send a letter by forwarding this action alert and urging them to take action. There must be one person you can get to send a letter with you. If you can get that one person to send a letter, we will reach 500 letters this week and 1000 next week!
To help you get more people in your networks involved, the instructions have been refined, the action alert and letter are now posted on NYC CAN's Channel Your Voice page (the link is http://nyccan.org/join.php), and a Word file has been posted there for download/print.
Let's do our best to reach 500 letters this week and 1000 letters next week. The DA's office is listening!
Sincerely,
Ted Walter
Update 6/23/10:
Fellow Advocates!
Together we finished Week 3 with 221 letters sent to the District Attorney's office! It may not be 1000, but it's downright amazing when you think about the message 221 letters must send to the folks in the Special Prosecutions Bureau. 221 letters this week, on top of 217 letters last week, on top of 133 letters the week before. Wow!
The letter for Week 4 is our most important and most powerful one yet. Read it, and you'll agree. If there's one route the DA will most likely take to revealing the truth about September 11, 2001, it's the destruction of physical evidence at the WTC site.
Now is the time to take action if you haven't yet! Don't have a fax machine, an envelope or a stamp? NO PROBLEM! Go to FaxZero.com and send a fax for free by uploading your letter. The letter is only three pages so you can fax it for free!
And, in case it was unclear before, no matter where you live you can send a letter!
Thank you for never giving up hope.
Sincerely,
Ted Walter
Update 8/11/2010:
Fellow Advocates,
Thank you for all your hard work, and congratulations on a job well done! We finished Week 4 of "Wake up the DA" with 408 letters sent, bringing our grand total above 1,000 letters. Now that so many seeds have been planted with the City Council and DA - and NYC CAN continues to water them - it's time to shift our collective focus to creating the kind of political climate where those seeds can grow. Let's start with a major public awareness campaign, which we are proud to be joining several other leaders and organizations in supporting. Here it is.
A compilation of 911 truth in the news, as portrayed by the mainstream media.
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum."
