Showing posts with label 9/11 conspiracy theories. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 9/11 conspiracy theories. Show all posts

Friday, November 26, 2010

Mr Irrational

Pat Curley of the Screw Loose Change blog made a post today praising these so-called "sensible conclusions" of a blogger calling himself Mr Rational:

So how can this notion be applied to the 9/11 truth movement? The following is a common example of special pleading (e.g., How can the govt. continue to conceal the conspiracy if literally thousands of people were involved? Special plead: you don’t understand the concept of compartmentalization within the government).

This argument is special pleading because it avoids having to answer the real problem, namely that even with compartmentalization there still remain thousands of people who have to remain silent. Lets take the people who set up the demolition charges for instance. If they were only given instructions to set charges and nothing else, then I find it a little odd that not a single one of them has come forward with this information. The notion of compartmentalization fails when we realize that if one link in the chain fails, then the entire conspiracy fails.

Much of what I'm about to say here is going to be in my post after this one, but since Pat focused in on it, I will as well.

First off, it can't be the fallacy of special pleading because we have unrefuted peer-reviewed science on our side. Therefore, Mr Rational's typical "debunker" a priori objection, according to The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, falls into the category of a priori fallacies because one cannot "base knowledge of fundamental synthetic truths on anything other than empirical evidence."

As Debunking the Debunkers blog contributor Steve Weathers put it:

"It does not matter what problems we face with other details of the attacks, we KNOW, from the key forensic evidence, that the WTC buildings were brought down using explosives."

The idea that government complicity in the attacks would require large numbers of people with full knowledge of the operation is a notion largely debunked by the intelligence technique of compartmentalization, but does this still leave thousands knowing pieces of the puzzle?

In fact, this assertion is itself using the logical fallacy of necessity where "a degree of unwarranted necessity is placed in the conclusion based on the necessity of one or more of its premises." One part of the premise here is that controlled demolitions require large numbers of people, which leads to the conclusion that controlled demolitions on 9/11 would require the same.

However, as 911review.com points out:

"A demolition that is planned as part of a covert operation to fit a narrative of events that attributes the total destruction of the building to a different cause (such as a jetliner crash and consequent fires) has a very different set of requirements than a demolition that is planned to legally remove a building in an urban setting."

Beyond this, the intricacies of the evidence indicate a plethora of ways in which the number of people intimately involved in all aspects of the plot could have been significantly decreased, but we'll get there in a second.

The next part of Mr Rational's premise relies on the fallacy of assumption where "someone assumes the very thing they are trying to prove." He simply assumes somebody would have talked in such a conspiracy, and since they haven't there was no conspiracy.

However, as professor David Ray Griffin stated:

...How could one know this? If some big operations have remained secret until now, we, by definition, don’t know about them.

Moreover, we do know about some big operations that were kept secret as long as necessary; such as... the war in Indonesia in 1957 which the United States provoked, participated in, and then kept secret until 1995.

Many more examples could be given.

Another great example is Operation Gladio set up by the CIA and NATO. Although Gladio was eventually exposed, it was not just a single event, but an ongoing operation that remained secret for decades, in which hundreds of innocent people were killed and injured in terrorist attacks that were blamed on other groups.

Now that I've put this claim of fallacy from a three time offender in perspective, let's wrap this thing up.

In regard to how the NORAD stand-down was achieved, many have speculated that inaction by an intentionally AWOL chain of command was combined with deliberate confusion via the four wargames that were conducted on 9/11, which seem to have included live-fly simulations of hijackings, and NORAD radar screens, which displayed false tracks throughout the attacks. But no matter how it might have been achieved, one thing is clear, it would have only required the complicity of a few high level officials.

Pat states that:

"No matter how compartmentalized the work was, there would be a hell of a lot of people who would say, 'You know, I wonder if those weird ceiling tiles I installed at the WTC had anything to do with the collapse.'"

He is referring to Jim Hoffman's hypothetical blasting scenario. If this is how the demolition was carried out the ceiling tiles would not look weird at all.

As Hoffman's website 911research.wtc7.net states:

"Explosive devices could have been disguised as or concealed within legitimate equipment, such as smoke alarms or ceiling tiles, and installed by workers oblivious to their surreptitious function. Numerous such possibilities are afforded by the properties of energetic materials."

And these numerous possibilities are beyond the hypothetical. Civil Engineer Jonathan Cole recently published a video of experiments he carried out proving that thermite variants, such as were found in samples of WTC dust, can demolish vertically standing steel beams. One possibility hinted at in the video is that nano-thermite was sprayed on or in beams and activated with a micro-detonator. If this were the case, the operation still would not have required large numbers of people as there wouldn't be any need for running miles of det cord through the building. The fact that this could be done unnoticed is evinced by the Citicorp Tower in New York, which underwent a secret structural retrofit that was unknown to the building's tenants and went almost unnoticed by the general public. Furthermore, in 2009 it was reported that drills were successful in planting bombs in ten high-security federal buildings.

Now, why have we not seen any of this small group of operators come forward, well Mr Rational, because that would be irrational!

People rarely do things opposed to their own self interest. Hence, conspirators usually rat on their co-conspirators only to receive lesser sentences. They rarely pop up out of the blue and say, "would you please give me a lethal injection." In fact, with this mass murder, it is likely that many of the operatives have already received one without asking for it! A real investigation into the events of 9/11 is yet to take place. If and when this occurs, the lesser conspirators or accomplices may be granted immunity, or granted favorable plea bargains in return for turning state’s evidence, leading to convictions of numerous others.

With all that being said, it would still be expected that people not directly involved who caught wind of suspicious goings-on would probably talk, and in fact, they have.

As Gregg Roberts, who was one of the authors of the paper that reports to have found nano-thermite in samples of WTC dust, stated to me:

"Some people will never believe us no matter how many tests are run. They wouldn't believe in the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center even if Mark Loizeaux produced a signed confession."

Monday, February 15, 2010

The Ultimate proof NIST is lying about WTC7

WarCrime911
YouTube.com
February 15, 2010

Over 1,000 Professional Architects and Engineers agree that the mysterious collapses of WTC Building 7 and the Twin Towers on 9/11/01 need to be re-examined and investigated. The NIST report is proven to be unscientific and false, using evidence NIST either ignored or gathered and used itself.



I used the public domain video created by NIST, available here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/usnistgov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_iBYSqEsc

NIST in their own words admits free fall speed:
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html
"Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)"

The NIST WTC Investigation -- How Real Was The Simulation? by Eric Douglas, Architect
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200612/NIST-WTC-Investigation.pdf

FireFighters for 9/11 Truth:
NFPA 921 on High Order Damage:
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?p=221

Shear Studs: A Case Study:
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/sixty-state-street/construction.htm

Van Ramiro's SuperThermite experiment was courtesy of Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" TV Show on TruTv (formerly CourtTV) from Episode 2 on 9/11 Conspiracy Theories.

Physical Chemistry of Thermite, Thermate, Iron-Alum-Rich Microspheres at Demise of WTC 1 & 2 Jerry Lobdill 6/15/2007
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JLobdillThermiteChemistryWTC

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:
http://www.ae911truth.org/

NIST Report on WTC 7 dissected by Engineers:
http://www.ae911truth.org/docs/J_Cole_NIST_WTC7_PUBLIC_COMMENTS_FINAL_PKG_9-11-08-SUBMITTED.pdf

Related Info:

Re: NIST Report on WTC7 debunked and exposed!

The Mysterious Collapse of WTC Seven - Why NIST’s Final 9/11 Report is Unscientific and False

1000 "Moonbat Crazy" Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth

TruTV's 'Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura' - 9/11

Friday, September 11, 2009

9/11 Truth Movement: Year in Review



Factual back-up, sources, and further research materials:

Eminem - Beautiful (Instrumental without Hook)

Eminem - Beautiful

Loose Change 2nd Editon Recut p1

Constructive Criticism of the Films Loose Change 2nd Edition and 9/11 Mysteries

Sibel Edmonds drops bombshell

Former FBI Translator: Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Right Up Until 9/11

Sibel Edmonds Deposition: Deep Corruption Beneath the Surface

Sibel Edmonds Speaks, But No One Is Listening

FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds is Credible... and Yes... She is a Truther Too!

Coast to Coast AM: Thermite & 9-11 part 1/12

Coast to Coast AM: Thermite & 9-11 part 9/12

coasttocoastam.com: Thermite & 9-11

NIST on Practicality of Thermite Controlled Demolition

Linda Moulton Howe, born January 20, 1942, is an American investigative journalist and documentary producer-writer-director-editor who is currently based in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Howe has devoted her documentary film, television, radio, writing and reporting career to productions concerning science, medicine and the environment. Ms. Howe has received local, national and international awards, including three regional Emmys, a national Emmy nomination and a Station Peabody award for medical programming. While Linda was Director of Special Projects at KMGH-TV, Channel 7, Denver, Colorado from 1978 to 1983, her documentaries included Poison in the Wind and A Sun Kissed Poison which compared smog pollution in Los Angeles and Denver; Fire In The Water about hydrogen as an alternative energy source to fossil fuels; A Radioactive Water about uranium contamination of public drinking water in a Denver suburb; and A Strange Harvest and Strange Harvests 1993, which explored animal mutilation mystery. Another film, A Prairie Dawn, focused on astronaut training in Denver. She has also produced documentaries in Ethiopia and Mexico for UNICEF about child survival efforts and for Turner Broadcasting in Atlanta about environmental challenges in the TV series Earthbeat.

In addition to television, Linda produces, reports and edits the award-winning science, environment and earth mysteries news website, http://www.earthfiles.com/. Linda also reports monthly science, environment and earth mysteries news for Premiere Radio Networks Coast to Coast AM with George Noory and weekly news updates for Dreamland Radio at Unknowncountry.com." - Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Moulton_Howe

You've Got Mail (1998) TRAILER

911 Mysteries Part 6

9/11 Media Breakthrough in Denmark

Steven Jones analyzes WTC dust samples

What in the World is High-Tech Explosive Material Doing in the Dust from 9/11?

9/11 - The Loaded Gun - Red/Grey Nanothermite Chips

Los Alamos National Laboratory website: Enhanced Explosive Materials Using Nano-Particulate Metal Fuels

RussiaToday: Nano-thermite took down the WTC?

General Richard Myers Asked About Nanothermite Explosives Found in WTC Dust

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs Receives a Copy of the Nanothermite Paper

Joe Biden Confronted With Nanothermite Evidence

New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand Supports New 9/11 Investigation

NYC Coalition for Accountability Now - NYC CAN is non-partisan organization comprised of 9/11 Families, First Responders, Survivors and proud, concerned citizens committed to bringing about an independent, impartial investigation into the events of September 11.

The primary mission of the FealGood Foundation, a non-profit organization, is to spread awareness and educate the public about the catastrophic health effects on 9/11 first responders, as well as to provide assistance to relieve these great heroes of the financial burdens placed on them over the last five years. A secondary goal of our Foundation is to create a network of advocacy on 9/11 healthcare issues. We not only advocate for Ground Zero workers, but show others how they can advocate for themselves and help others through grassroots activism.

Obama Warns not to challenge Official 9/11 Story

Mr President the Whole World knows 9/11 was a Lie

Nanothermite Demolishes 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

More Important Developments in the 9/11 Truth Movement From the Past Year:

41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11

Former President Jimmy Carter Supports Call For New 9/11 Investigation

Madsen: 'Whistle blown on secret 9/11 unit'

Project Censored Covers Active Thermitic Material, WTC7 and AE911Truth

Anniversary News Stories (9/9/09)

800 Professional Architects and Engineers Are Asking For a New Investigation

29 Structural & Civil Engineers Cite Evidence for Controlled Explosive Demolition in Collapses of All 3 WTC High-Rises on 9/11

Two Seconds That Will Live in Infamy (June 2009 Update)

FBI Helps Fight Cynicism Regarding a New 9/11 Investigation

Richard Gage on KMPH Fox 26 in Fresno, CA

Media Breakthrough! 9-11 Press for Truth to Be Shown on Mainstream Television

KBDI Press Release: ‘9/11 Press for Truth’ on Channel 12 Draws Huge Support from Colorado Public Television Viewers

9-11 Blueprint for Truth to Debut on Colorado Public Television

Super-Duper Thermite: A Year in Review

Thermite Denial - A Year in Review

Put up or Shut up: A Year in Review

9/11 Truth Movement: Year in Review

The Sounds of Loud and Clear

Reply: Jesse The BSer Ventura: I Called It!

Saturday, August 1, 2009

Debunk This! Series

ChangeDaChannel
YouTube.com

A show for debunkers to do their thing. So many people find it hard to believe that we are being poisoned, tested on and killed by the powers that be. That indeed conspiracies exist and that anyone who speaks of this is just a nut job. This show isn't about why they do what they do, it's about the fact that it has and is being done. This wont be a show covering hours worth of evidence. We will focus on an element or two to keep it simple and to the point. It is my hope that some of these can be debunked so that knowledge of the truth can be refined. I also hope that if these can't be debunked, that people start to wake up to the reality of what happened in the past and continues to go on today so that the future doesn't consist of this cycle of destruction that kills us and the world we live in.


Related Info:

Debunk This! 008 ( 911 Conspiracy )

Debunk This! 202 (ChemTrails)

Debunk This! 201 (NWO)

Debunking Myths on Conspiracy Theories

Sunday, April 19, 2009

Nano-thermite Demolishes 9/11 Conspiracy Theories



Factual back-up, sources, and further research materials:

WeAreChange Indy - 9/11 Truth Street Action 4/11/09

GEORGE W. BUSH, JR: "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories"

Alex Jones - 911 The Road To Tyranny part 7 of 16

FBI hindered in Al-Qaeda investigation

White House Targets Conspiracy Theorists As Terrorist Recruiters

One-minute clip - Mike Levine former DEA explains Legal concept of "Conspiracy". (Strangely, Levine a former cop who prosecuted govt drug conspiracies disputes any 9-11 conspiracy.)

A lotta people claim to disbelieve "conspiracy theories"

French Professor Sacked over 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

Kevin Barrett Spanks FOX News

NOTE: I disagree with Barrett on many issues.

Why the media's conspiracy theory is better than yours

Mainstream Media vs 9/11 Truth

9/11 Truth vs Mainstream Media

9/11 Media Breakthrough in Denmark

"Does one have to be an expert to understand the findings and evaluate the many claims thrown up by "debunkers" to dismiss those findings? Fortunately, the answer is no." - Source: Thermitic Pyrotechnics in the WTC Made Simple: Three Points of Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe that Anyone Can Understand - A concise non-technical summary of three key points about recently-docmented unexploded pyrotechnics from the Twin Towers

Steven Jones Tells 9/11 "Debunkers" to Put up or Shut up!

Explosives Found in World Trade Center Dust: Scientists Discover Both Residues And Unignited Fragments Of High-Tech Metal Incendiaries In Debris From the Twin Towers - A non-technical guide to the newly published paper explaining the identification of nano-engineered explosive materials in dust from the Twin Towers

Wake Up and Smell the Aluminothermic Nanocomposite Explosives: As Documentation of Thermitic Materials in the WTC Twin Towers Grows, Official Story Backers Ignore, Deny, Evade, and Dissemble - A detailed record of the development of bodies of evidence showing the use of aluminothermic pyrotechnics

Special Report: Thermite Fingerprint

Visibility 9-11 Welcomes Back Kevin Ryan

911 Mysteries Part 6

Loose Change Final Cut Part 2

9/11 - The Loaded Gun - Red/Grey Nanothermite Chips

COMPARISON OF WTC COLLAPSE WITH OTHER BUILDINGS

"We have dozens of people reporting huge explosions at the onset of collapse – one guy from the BBC in a blue shirt ducking having heard the explosion from behind him. And nano-thermite is quieter than C4 or RDX. And the columns were ejected at 55 mph instant speed from the side of the Twin Towers." - Richard Gage, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth -Source: Controlled Demolition Not Possible?

NIST WTC 7 Report - Press Briefing

The NIST Investigation - National Institute for Standards and Technology Encounters Resistance, Pretends to Investigate

wtc 7 beijing fire

New videos highlight vivid contrast of Mandarin Oriental Hotel fire to fires in WTC 7

Debunkers Claim WTC 7 “Hit By A 757″ - Respondents to Beijing skyscraper fire ludicrously argue against controlled demolition on 9/11 by claiming building was struck by a plane

Debunking Myths on Conspiracy Theories

Conspiracy Theories

Conspiracy Theorists

NWO Conspiracy Bullshit

Conspiracies - 9/11 and The New World Order

Meet the 9/11 Conspiracy Nuts

I Am Not A Conspiracy Theorist

Is Obi-Wan Kenobi a Wacko Conspiracy Theorist?

John McCain is a Conspiracy Theorist

Hijacking the American Conscience: The Reality of Conspiracy in the USA & The Way to Progress

Tuesday, April 14, 2009

BraveHeart - A 9/11 Firefighter Tribute

Eusanio2
YouTube.com
November 11, 2006

This song was written by Bobby Brexel in honor of those who went into the fire to help save others.Please contact MREStudios@aol.com for additional information on this song.
This song was written by Bobby Brexel in honor of those who went into the fire to help save others.Please contact MREStudios@aol.com for additional information on this song.


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My son is a firefighter and so was my brother who passed away from an illness 3 years ago so this tribute has a special meaning for me and the NYFD asks that we never forget those firefighters who lost their lives on 9/11.
Firefighters are a special band of "Brothers" and when my brother passed away they (Desoto County Firefighters) "carried him home".
We will not forget 9/11 nor will we let those 9/11firefighters death be in vain -I honor your sacrifice here. I also thank you for your unselfish love for your fellow man.
Please visit http://firefightersfor911truth.org

Erik Lawyer—Founder of Firefighters for 911Truth:

I went to New York to show support and attend FDNY Funerals. I was humbled by the FDNY Brotherhood, and the community support. I got angry with those who questioned 9-11. I wanted revenge for the attacks, then when I calmed down...justice. Years later, I even told my officer to leave the country if he thought we could have somehow been behind the attacks. I did everything I could to resist what I DIDN’T WANT TO CONSIDER.

Years ago I took an oath…“I, Erik Lawyer, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;…” Our Found-ing Fathers knew domestic enemies were a threat. I have always believed I was a Patriot! I’d like to blame my unwillingness to listen to my Brothers who were claiming “we have do-mestic enemies” on Patriotism. I’d like to blame it on my belief that they were just “Liberals” trying to destroy our Country, or my belief that we must stand behind our President during times of war. I FOR-GOT my pledge to the Constitution…not to ANY political party or ANY President!! The blame comes directly back to me. I didn’t want to believe it was even possible we could have domestic enemies. I didn’t want to believe there actually could be a criminal element controlling much of our government regardless of what political party occupies the White House. I didn't want to believe that leaders of our own government would attack our own people in order to have a pretext to go to war. I bought into the Popular Mechanics explanations. I believed the corporate-owned mainstream media. It was much eas-ier to believe that “terrorists” from the Middle East that hate us for “our Freedoms” were responsible.

During this last year I’ve had an “awakening.” I finally calmed down, and looked at the evidence from the Zacarias Moussaoui Trial. I looked at the evidence uncovered by individual investigators, by insid-ers who have been fired for speaking out, and I looked at insurance company reports. I looked at the NFPA 921 Fire and Explosion Manual for 2001, and saw how a standard investigation should have been conducted. I re-read the article from Fire Engineering by Bill Manning, “Selling out the Investi-gation.” I saw how intolerant the media is of any one who questions 911, including military officers, FBI agents, intelligence officers, or any insiders. I was deeply disturbed by what I hadn’t “seen” for years. Now I’m asking for YOUR HELP TO SAVE OUR BROTHERS, SISTERS AND OUR COUNTRY!

Thank You.

Beijing Mandarin Hotel Fire—Feb 2009
-44 Floors Well Involved
-Building did not collapse
World Trade Center 7 Fire—September 2001
-Fires on less than 10 floors
-Complete collapse at near free-fall speed into footprint
-Office of Emergency Management Coordinator knocked down inside building by explosion prior to collapse
WHY WON’T NIST TEST FOR ACCELERANTS?

Source: http://firefightersfor911truth.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/firestationletter.pdf

FaithMichaels note:

NIST did not, but someone did test for accelerants, and they found thermite.

Related Info:

Visibility 9-11 Welcomes Erik Lawyer, founder of Fire Fighters for 9-11 Truth

Heated Controversy: Do firefighters believe 9/11 conspiracy theories?